Measurement Lab researcher appears on BBC Radio 4

August 21, 2024
Header image for the Sideways programme on BBC Radio 4, featuring a picture of presenter Matthew Syed in front of an abstract arrangement of pastel triangles.

Listeners of BBC Radio 4 might have heard Dr Robert Chapman – one of our Measurement Lab researchers – on the Sideways programme recently. Interviewed as part of its episode on racism in “educationally sub-normal” schools of the 1960s and 70s, Robert spoke about the role of European colonialism and Industrial Revolution in the entwined growth of ableism, sanism and white supremacy during the 18th and 19th centuries.

Visit the BBC Sounds website to hear the full recording.

Full abstract below:

In the 1960s and 70s, Maisie Barrett and Noel Gordon were two black British children wrongly labelled as “educationally subnormal”. They were sent to schools where children were never taught to read or write. They’re just two examples of a scandal that affected hundreds of children in the UK, one that has never been officially acknowledged. As adults, Noel and Maisie made a surprising discovery – they were both dyslexic. And with that diagnosis came a profound reimagining of themselves and what had happened to them. Matthew Syed considers the relationship between ableism, racism and eugenics – concepts with roots that stretch back centuries and which continue to have a profound impact on society today. With Maisie Barrett, Noel Gordon, sociologist Dr Chantelle Jessica Lewis, Assistant Professor Dr Robert Chapman, and occupational therapist Jenny Okolo.

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